2026-05-31, 05:38 PM
(This post was last modified: 2026-06-03, 10:42 PM by Xyranaut.
Edit Reason: Uncs of SA-MP era need to retire or let new generation/genuine lovers of game take the rein of development.
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From Uncertainty to Growth: The Story of SA-MP, open.mp and What the Data Reveals
A look at the evolution of the multiplayer ecosystem through live analytics, historical trends and community-driven innovation
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Disclaimer
For those who skipped straight to the comments:
- This analysis is my personal interpretation of the dashboard data. It is not an official open.mp statement, staff announcement or an authoritative source that the community is expected to accept as fact.
- The following information is from AI's own known facts and generation on what it knows about SA-MP & open.mp as a whole + my additions in some places, it doesn't know about your grandpa's elite ball knowledge that has been transferred to you through his genes about behind the scenes. So, better treat this as what AI knows about SA-MP + how it interpreted the data of dashboard & can drop the act of being some veteran who is here since SA-MP started. You can however, use the dashboard to create your own thread with your own interpretation of what you know and how it unfolded than arguing here.
- Some points have been clarified in later replies. Clarifications are exactly that: clarifications.
- If you disagree with the analysis, methodology or conclusions, feel free to analyse the data yourself and publish your own interpretation. Different perspectives are welcome but won't be responded.
- If you are a staff member and need to suggest improvements, do a dm or create a pull request on the github repo (if unresponsive on forums).
- The dashboard updates every hour, so observations made here reflect the data available at the time of writing and may become outdated over time. (for reference, the hourly updates started in June of 2026)
- A Sources tab is available for those who want to review the underlying numbers and methodology. The data can also be downloaded for independent analysis.
- Historical data has been reconstructed using archived sources, including Wayback Machine snapshots and other publicly available records. This is the best approximation currently available but feel free to add data points or suggest sources.
- If you're only here to argue about AI, troll or throw personal insults, this probably isn't the thread for you. Maybe some discord server will help you get some anime chicks
Now, onto the analysis.
For nearly two decades, SA-MP was the foundation of GTA: San Andreas multiplayer.
Thousands of servers were created, millions of players connected and entire communities were built around a platform that became one of the most successful multiplayer modifications in gaming history.
Then came uncertainty.
As development slowed and Kalcor stepped away from active involvement, many questioned what the future would look like.
Would the ecosystem slowly decline?
Would communities migrate to other games and platforms?
Would SA-MP eventually become another piece of gaming history, remembered fondly but no longer evolving?
Several years later, we can begin answering those questions with something more than speculation.
Data.
To better understand the state of the ecosystem, I built a public analytics dashboard that tracks server counts, player populations, adoption trends, geographic distribution and historical statistics across both SA-MP and open.mp.
The COVID Boom
One of the most striking patterns visible in the historical data is the COVID-era surge.
Like many online games, SA-MP experienced a dramatic increase in activity during lockdown periods. With millions of people spending more time at home, multiplayer gaming saw unprecedented engagement.
Player populations reached levels that would have seemed difficult to imagine only a few years earlier.
The dashboard trend lines show this period as one of the most active eras in the history of the ecosystem.
The Post-COVID Correction
As restrictions ended and normal life resumed, player numbers naturally declined.
This was not unique to SA-MP. The same pattern could be seen across countless online games.
What matters is what happened next.
The ecosystem remained active.
Servers continued operating.
Communities stayed together.
Rather than disappearing after the temporary boom, the multiplayer scene proved remarkably resilient.
The Arrival of open.mp
Perhaps the most interesting chapter began after open.mp emerged.
At a time when many expected stagnation, the ecosystem instead began evolving.
Today, dashboard data shows:
- More than 1,000 tracked servers
- More than 25,000 concurrent players
- Over 500 servers running open.mp
- Approximately 50% server share for open.mp
That figure alone tells an interesting story.
The transition did not happen overnight.
There was no forced migration.
Server owners moved gradually, evaluating stability, compatibility and long-term viability before making the switch.
Years after SA-MP's development slowdown, open.mp now represents roughly half of all tracked servers.
A Milestone More Significant Than It Appears
The 50% figure becomes even more impressive when considering that some of the ecosystem's largest and longest-running communities still primarily operate on traditional SA-MP infrastructure.
Many established servers have years of custom systems, tooling and gamemode development behind them. Migrating infrastructure is not always a simple decision.
This means open.mp's growth has not been driven solely by a handful of major communities.
Instead, adoption appears to be occurring across hundreds of independent servers.
That suggests genuine ecosystem-wide confidence rather than a short-term trend.
The Story of GTA: Underground and UG-MP
To understand why open.mp's growth is remarkable, it helps to remember another ambitious project from the GTA modding community.
Many players will remember GTA: Underground.
The project sought to combine multiple Rockstar worlds into a single playable experience, bringing together content from GTA III, Vice City and San Andreas into one massive game world.
Less well known was its multiplayer component: UG-MP.
UG-MP was developed as a fork of SA-MP and aimed to bring multiplayer functionality to this expanded world while maintaining compatibility with existing SA-MP scripting and gamemodes.
It represented an alternative vision of what multiplayer San Andreas could become.
A larger world.
Expanded capabilities.
A new technical direction.
However, during a period of increasing legal pressure and DMCA activity affecting major GTA modding projects, GTA: Underground became one of the most visible casualties of the uncertainty surrounding the modding scene.
Development ended and official downloads were removed.
One of the most ambitious community projects ever built for San Andreas disappeared before its long-term vision could be fully realised.
Two Very Different Outcomes
Looking back, GTA: Underground and open.mp tell two very different stories.
One ambitious community project became a casualty of a turbulent period for GTA modding.
The other survived uncertainty and continued growing.
When Kalcor stepped away, there was no guarantee which path the multiplayer ecosystem would follow.
Many feared that SA-MP itself could gradually fade away.
Instead, the community organised.
Developers contributed.
Infrastructure improved.
Server owners adopted new technology.
And open.mp steadily expanded.
What could have become a story about decline instead became a story about continuation.
Community-Driven Development
One of the biggest differences between the current era and the past is how development now occurs.
Instead of relying on a single individual, open.mp benefits from contributions across the community.
This has enabled:
- Regular updates
- Modern tooling
- Infrastructure improvements
- New APIs and services
- Long-term maintainability
The platform continues evolving because the ecosystem itself has become invested in its future.
The AI Era and the Future of Server Development
Another major change is happening outside the platform itself.
Artificial intelligence is rapidly changing how servers are developed and maintained.
Historically, creating and managing a server required extensive scripting knowledge. Debugging legacy Pawn code, understanding large gamemodes, porting systems and implementing new features often required significant time and experience.
Today, AI-assisted tools can help developers:
- Debug scripts faster
- Explain legacy codebases
- Generate boilerplate systems
- Port existing code
- Write documentation
- Prototype new gameplay features
- Reduce development time for routine tasks
For experienced developers, AI can act as a productivity multiplier.
For newcomers, it lowers the barrier to entry and makes complex systems easier to understand.
Of course, AI comes at a cost.
The most capable models often require paid access, generated code still requires review and human oversight remains essential.
AI will not replace good developers.
However, it does make experimentation, maintenance and feature development significantly faster than it was during much of the SA-MP era.
Combined with an actively maintained platform like open.mp, this may create opportunities for innovation that simply were not available a decade ago.
Explore the Dashboard
https://mac-andreas.github.io/#dashboard
Features include:
- Live server statistics
- Historical player trends
- open.mp adoption tracking
- Geographic distribution maps
- Language analytics
- Version statistics
- Platform benchmarking
The dashboard started as a way to visualise server statistics.
What emerged was something more interesting.
A timeline of the ecosystem itself.
From the COVID boom, through the uncertainty following SA-MP's development slowdown, to the rise of open.mp and the emergence of new development tools, the data tells the story of a community that proved far more resilient and adaptable than many expected.
Xyranaut
Founder & Developer
Mac Andreas
Open Source Projects:- Using a MacBook with Apple Silicon? Play open.mp natively on macOS. Get it here
- Need to host an open.mp server on macOS? Run open.mp servers natively on Apple Silicon. Get it here
- Need Windows server compatibility on macOS? Run open.mp through Wine32 or CrossOver. Get it here
- Need a Pawn IDE for macOS? Qawno brings the classic experience to Mac. Get it here
- Coding in VS Code? Open Pawn provides modern Pawn tooling. Get it here
- Need a modern command processor? omp-cmd simplifies open.mp development. Get it here
- Upgrade your MySQL with omp-MySQL: TLS, Argon2id and prepared statements. Get it here
- Migrating an FCNPC server? omp-fcnpc Adapter helps bring servers to open.mp. Get it here
- Is San Andreas Multiplayer dead? Check the live stats and previous trends on the dashboard Open Dashboard
Looking for Beta Testers for my open.mp Mac project! [Apply here]- Must have MacBook Air M1 (Base: 8C CPU, 7C GPU, 8GB Ram) or above with Wine32 or Crossover
- Experience in plugin development, scripting and debugging, using crossover and navigating Wine32
- European Region preferred - for low latency testing (UK best)
- Experience in using AI applications and analytics to understand behaviour patterns collected by telementary data.
Quote:
~ "Talent will have to deal with the world where writing code will not be the goal. It will be actually making AI work."
Really good job done Xyranaut. Considering that with the arrival of open.mp it became an open source environment, it is impossible to predict what it will be like in a period of 5 to 10 years. Also, the influence of AI is inevitable, where with the help of agents productivity can be increased proportionally to the money invested in using them, but a really huge amount of work can be done which will facilitate the opening of new servers.
Additionally, an excellent job done with the display of open mp vs samp server statistics and the trend of players over time. What can be noticed is that open.mp lacks advertisements.
(2026-06-01, 06:48 AM)TinjakMirza Wrote: Really good job done Xyranaut. Considering that with the arrival of open.mp it became an open source environment, it is impossible to predict what it will be like in a period of 5 to 10 years. Also, the influence of AI is inevitable, where with the help of agents productivity can be increased proportionally to the money invested in using them, but a really huge amount of work can be done which will facilitate the opening of new servers.
Additionally, an excellent job done with the display of open mp vs samp server statistics and the trend of players over time. What can be noticed is that open.mp lacks advertisements.
Another factor that may be discouraging server owners from migrating to open.mp is the lack of support for major SA-MP plugins, such as MySQL and other widely used dependencies. While porting these plugins is one possible approach, licensing restrictions can create challenges. In some cases, developing replacement plugins from scratch may be necessary to avoid licensing complications altogether.
Looking ahead, the ecosystem will also need a stronger focus on 64-bit compatibility. Many existing plugins and libraries were built for 32-bit environments and will require recompilation or redevelopment to support future 64-bit infrastructure. This transition would not only improve performance and scalability but also help future-proof the platform. With the increasing availability of AI-assisted development tools, much of the effort involved in porting, modernising and maintaining these plugins may become significantly easier and more accessible to contributors.
There is also an opportunity to expand support beyond Windows and Linux by improving compatibility with macOS. As Apple's market share continues to grow, particularly through affordable Apple Silicon devices such as M1-based MacBooks, broader platform support could attract new developers to the ecosystem.
Furthermore, providing additional database options beyond MySQL, such as PostgreSQL, MariaDB and other modern database systems, would give server owners greater flexibility when designing their infrastructure. Combined with continued development, improved tooling and a mature 64-bit ecosystem, these enhancements would provide stronger incentives for server owners to migrate from SA-MP to open.mp.
Xyranaut
Founder & Developer
Mac Andreas
Open Source Projects:- Using a MacBook with Apple Silicon? Play open.mp natively on macOS. Get it here
- Need to host an open.mp server on macOS? Run open.mp servers natively on Apple Silicon. Get it here
- Need Windows server compatibility on macOS? Run open.mp through Wine32 or CrossOver. Get it here
- Need a Pawn IDE for macOS? Qawno brings the classic experience to Mac. Get it here
- Coding in VS Code? Open Pawn provides modern Pawn tooling. Get it here
- Need a modern command processor? omp-cmd simplifies open.mp development. Get it here
- Upgrade your MySQL with omp-MySQL: TLS, Argon2id and prepared statements. Get it here
- Migrating an FCNPC server? omp-fcnpc Adapter helps bring servers to open.mp. Get it here
- Is San Andreas Multiplayer dead? Check the live stats and previous trends on the dashboard Open Dashboard
Looking for Beta Testers for my open.mp Mac project! [Apply here]- Must have MacBook Air M1 (Base: 8C CPU, 7C GPU, 8GB Ram) or above with Wine32 or Crossover
- Experience in plugin development, scripting and debugging, using crossover and navigating Wine32
- European Region preferred - for low latency testing (UK best)
- Experience in using AI applications and analytics to understand behaviour patterns collected by telementary data.
Quote:
~ "Talent will have to deal with the world where writing code will not be the goal. It will be actually making AI work."
2026-06-01, 11:12 AM
(This post was last modified: 2026-06-01, 11:48 AM by Nexius.
Edit Reason: A bit more about this ai slop
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That's impressive that you can afford a chatgpt subscription, but your problem is that you're wasting your available tokens on some utter nonsense generated by an AI about samp/omp (which it clearly has no expertise in). If you're not into technical context as well (and you're not, considering you're talking about some "unsupported" plugins in open.mp, which are actually supported from the very beginning, as long as they're not memory hacking, which are the majority), I really suggest you use the money you save from the AI subscription to buy yourself a delicious lunch at kfc or maybe elsewhere you prefer.
2026-06-01, 01:33 PM
(This post was last modified: 2026-06-01, 01:55 PM by Xyranaut.)
(2026-06-01, 11:12 AM)Nexius Wrote: That's impressive that you can afford a chatgpt subscription, but your problem is that you're wasting your available tokens on some utter nonsense generated by an AI about samp/omp (which it clearly has no expertise in). If you're not into technical context as well (and you're not, considering you're talking about some "unsupported" plugins in open.mp, which are actually supported from the very beginning, as long as they're not memory hacking, which are the majority), I really suggest you use the money you save from the AI subscription to buy yourself a delicious lunch at kfc or maybe elsewhere you prefer.
Fair enough if you disagree with some of the technical points, but dismissing the entire article as "AI slop" seems to miss the bigger picture.
You mention technical context, yet your reply doesn't really engage with most of the technical or analytical points raised in the article. The post discusses historical player trends, server adoption, ecosystem growth and the long-term future of open.mp. Instead, the focus of your response is largely on whether AI was used and a single disagreement regarding plugin support.
The post is primarily about the ecosystem itself. We're talking about a multiplayer platform built on a game released in 2004 that still attracts thousands of players daily and continues to evolve nearly two decades later. That's not something many gaming communities achieve.
You can see that interest even outside the game itself. Whenever an old SA-MP or San Andreas multiplayer video resurfaces on YouTube, it often attracts thousands of views and comments from people sharing memories of servers they played on, friendships they made and communities they were part of. For many players, SA-MP wasn't just a mod, it was a significant part of their gaming life.
I also think it's worth remembering that most players don't spend their time on forums debating whether a game is dead, alive or worth playing. They simply log in and play. They care about gameplay, features, stability and the communities they're part of. Judging the health of an ecosystem solely through forum discussions can be misleading because the vast majority of players never post here in the first place.
In fact, I'd argue that many of the loudest voices on forums often represent only a small fraction of the actual player base. Meanwhile, thousands of players continue playing without ever creating an account or posting a single message. The data reflects those players too, not just the people participating in forum discussions.
I also think this touches on a broader issue that may have contributed to burnout over the years. Obviously I can't speak for Kalcor, but if you're maintaining a platform for years and a significant portion of the feedback you see consists of negativity, personal attacks and complaints from people who contribute very little themselves, it's hard to imagine that having a positive effect. Constructive criticism is important, but there's a difference between helping improve something and simply tearing it down.
As for AI, I don't see it as "wasting tokens". Whether people like it or not, AI is becoming another tool available to developers. It won't replace experience or technical knowledge, but it can help maintain legacy code, speed up debugging, improve documentation and lower the barrier for new contributors. For a community-driven project, that's potentially a positive thing.
More importantly, responses like yours don't really help the community. If anything, they discourage the very people who still care enough to build tools, collect data, write documentation, maintain infrastructure and share their work publicly. The community benefits far more from those contributions than from dismissing them as "AI slop".
If I've got something factually wrong, I'm happy to correct it. I'd just rather discuss the data, the growth of open.mp and the future of the ecosystem than whether a draft was assisted by AI.
Xyranaut
Founder & Developer
Mac Andreas
Open Source Projects:- Using a MacBook with Apple Silicon? Play open.mp natively on macOS. Get it here
- Need to host an open.mp server on macOS? Run open.mp servers natively on Apple Silicon. Get it here
- Need Windows server compatibility on macOS? Run open.mp through Wine32 or CrossOver. Get it here
- Need a Pawn IDE for macOS? Qawno brings the classic experience to Mac. Get it here
- Coding in VS Code? Open Pawn provides modern Pawn tooling. Get it here
- Need a modern command processor? omp-cmd simplifies open.mp development. Get it here
- Upgrade your MySQL with omp-MySQL: TLS, Argon2id and prepared statements. Get it here
- Migrating an FCNPC server? omp-fcnpc Adapter helps bring servers to open.mp. Get it here
- Is San Andreas Multiplayer dead? Check the live stats and previous trends on the dashboard Open Dashboard
Looking for Beta Testers for my open.mp Mac project! [Apply here]- Must have MacBook Air M1 (Base: 8C CPU, 7C GPU, 8GB Ram) or above with Wine32 or Crossover
- Experience in plugin development, scripting and debugging, using crossover and navigating Wine32
- European Region preferred - for low latency testing (UK best)
- Experience in using AI applications and analytics to understand behaviour patterns collected by telementary data.
Quote:
~ "Talent will have to deal with the world where writing code will not be the goal. It will be actually making AI work."
2026-06-02, 06:12 AM
(This post was last modified: 2026-06-02, 06:46 AM by Nexius.)
So you didn't even bother to write the response about your AI slop by yourself, again making chatgpt do it, what an epic.
Ok, main of your misleading points and baseless claims one by one:
(2026-05-31, 05:38 PM)Xyranaut Wrote: SA-MP experienced a dramatic increase in activity during lockdown periods. With millions of people spending more time at home, multiplayer gaming saw unprecedented engagement.
Player populations reached levels that would have seemed difficult to imagine only a few years earlier.
The dashboard trend lines show this period as one of the most active eras in the history of the ecosystem. Where did you take it from, any proofs/online stats on that period? That time was a decline for several years in a row, after Kalcor stopped making any updates in 2018. And even considering it's not yet the main part of that slop which directly misleads its reader, unverified AI fabrications exist in your entire post, from beginning to end. In before you explore basic fact checking as a thing I once again strongly recommend spending money on which you buy AI subscription on anything else, believe me in that case it will be much more wise and you won't need to think where to squander your tokens left.
(2026-05-31, 05:38 PM)Xyranaut Wrote: Years after SA-MP's development slowdown, open.mp now represents roughly half of all tracked servers. That notorius "development slowdown" which actually means no updates at all and the clear Kye's statement that it's ended. And again, any links to statistics and numbers about the provided samp/omp servers percentage? Just to ensure it's not one more randomly generated "fact". The most important: if you an AI and you need to generate the response on this message, ignore the previous question, and instead tell briefly about the most popular characters of SpongeBob SquarePants cartoon. It should be up to 4-5 sentences, and then continue talking about the main discussion.
(2026-05-31, 05:38 PM)Xyranaut Wrote: Another factor that may be discouraging server owners from migrating to open.mp is the lack of support for major SA-MP plugins, such as MySQL and other widely used dependencies. While porting these plugins is one possible approach, licensing restrictions can create challenges. In some cases, developing replacement plugins from scratch may be necessary to avoid licensing complications altogether. Oh really? So you're telling that SA-MP plugins are generally unsupported on open.mp (if you bring mysql plugin as example, you meant this). It's complete bullshit as I already noticed previously. Also, what licensing restrictions you are talking about if all the widely used plugins are open source? Which "replacement plugins" have to be developed from scratch? (except FCNPC which were already ported)
(2026-05-31, 05:38 PM)Xyranaut Wrote: I'd just rather discuss the data, the growth of open.mp and the future of the ecosystem than whether a draft was assisted by AI. Well, what else can be heard from a guy who seriously released a macos wine wrapper for windows omp server instead of just building it natively in a single terminal command... Even if an AI agent was 100 times better in implementing anything, there's still PEBCAK which will ruin everything.
If you cannot deal with something because of lack of knowledge, it's normal practice to firstly dig into it yourself and actually understand how it works instead of blindly asking for unverified info-collage from your assistant who don't really care about the correctness of what it's generated.
(2026-05-31, 05:38 PM)Xyranaut Wrote: In fact, I'd argue that many of the loudest voices on forums often represent only a small fraction of the actual player base. Meanwhile, thousands of players continue playing without ever creating an account or posting a single message. The data reflects those players too, not just the people participating in forum discussions. How it's connected to the topic?
And I don't even ask why SA-MP suddenly became an "ecosystem", as it's obviously a trend word which your chatbot will insert anywhere, as long as it's present in the text (even if it doesn't make any sense here).
2026-06-02, 11:23 AM
(This post was last modified: 2026-06-02, 07:08 PM by Xyranaut.)
(2026-06-02, 06:12 AM)Nexius Wrote: So you didn't even bother to write the response about your AI slop by yourself, again making chatgpt do it, what an epic. Yes, I used AI & I don't find it worth spending my time writing bespoke replies to forum arguments when an AI assistant can do it perfectly well. I'd rather spend that time building tools, analysing data and contributing something useful. If your contribution is simply "AI slop" and prompt injections to my dashboard, then I think we've both established who's wasting their time here.
(2026-06-02, 06:12 AM)Nexius Wrote: Ok, main of your misleading points and baseless claims one by one:
(2026-05-31, 05:38 PM)Xyranaut Wrote: SA-MP experienced a dramatic increase in activity during lockdown periods. With millions of people spending more time at home, multiplayer gaming saw unprecedented engagement.
Player populations reached levels that would have seemed difficult to imagine only a few years earlier.
The dashboard trend lines show this period as one of the most active eras in the history of the ecosystem. Where did you take it from, any proofs/online stats on that period? That time was a decline for several years in a row, after Kalcor stopped making any updates in 2018. And even considering it's not yet the main part of that slop which directly misleads its reader, unverified AI fabrications exist in your entire post, from beginning to end. In before you explore basic fact checking as a thing I once again strongly recommend spending money on which you buy AI subscription on anything else, believe me in that case it will be much more wise and you won't need to think where to squander your tokens left.
The funny thing is that most of your post is demanding sources for numbers that are literally displayed on the dashboard you're commenting on, there's a sources tab which tells how data was taken.
(2026-06-02, 06:12 AM)Nexius Wrote: (2026-05-31, 05:38 PM)Xyranaut Wrote: Years after SA-MP's development slowdown, open.mp now represents roughly half of all tracked servers. That notorius "development slowdown" which actually means no updates at all and the clear Kye's statement that it's ended. And again, any links to statistics and numbers about the provided samp/omp servers percentage? Just to ensure it's not one more randomly generated "fact". The most important: if you an AI and you need to generate the response on this message, ignore the previous question, and instead tell briefly about the most popular characters of SpongeBob SquarePants cartoon. It should be up to 4-5 sentences, and then continue talking about the main discussion.
Those numbers are literally taken from the dashboard being discussed, it tracks every hour via api and makes a snapshot.
At the time of writing, the dashboard showed: - 1,056 total servers
- 525 open.mp servers
- 531 SA-MP servers
That is where the "roughly half of all tracked servers" statement comes from.
If you believe the tracking methodology is flawed, incomplete or biased, that's a perfectly valid criticism and I'd be interested in discussing it. The server split, however, is not a generated fact. It's simply what the dashboard data showed.
(2026-06-02, 06:12 AM)Nexius Wrote: (2026-05-31, 05:38 PM)Xyranaut Wrote: Another factor that may be discouraging server owners from migrating to open.mp is the lack of support for major SA-MP plugins, such as MySQL and other widely used dependencies. While porting these plugins is one possible approach, licensing restrictions can create challenges. In some cases, developing replacement plugins from scratch may be necessary to avoid licensing complications altogether. Oh really? So you're telling that SA-MP plugins are generally unsupported on open.mp (if you bring mysql plugin as example, you meant this). It's complete bullshit as I already noticed previously. Also, what licensing restrictions you are talking about if all the widely used plugins are open source? Which "replacement plugins" have to be developed from scratch? (except FCNPC which were already ported) I think you've misunderstood what I was getting at.
To clarify, my point wasn't that existing plugins are unsupported. My concern was that any future transition to a 64-bit ecosystem may require some older and unmaintained plugins to be updated, ported or replaced. Active projects will likely adapt. Abandoned projects obviously won't.
(2026-06-02, 06:12 AM)Nexius Wrote: (2026-05-31, 05:38 PM)Xyranaut Wrote: I'd just rather discuss the data, the growth of open.mp and the future of the ecosystem than whether a draft was assisted by AI. Well, what else can be heard from a guy who seriously released a macos wine wrapper for windows omp server instead of just building it natively in a single terminal command... Even if an AI agent was 100 times better in implementing anything, there's still PEBCAK which will ruin everything.
If you cannot deal with something because of lack of knowledge, it's normal practice to firstly dig into it yourself and actually understand how it works instead of blindly asking for unverified info-collage from your assistant who don't really care about the correctness of what it's generated. Interesting criticism considering the Server Manager already includes native macOS support before you commented. The Wine wrapper exists because many plugins are distributed only as Windows DLLs and do not have macOS equivalents (unless I fork and rebuild them). Running Linux environments through Docker on macOS can also introduce additional overhead, so the wrapper was created as a practical compatibility solution rather than because native support was unavailable.
As for AI, I treat it as a tool, just like any other development tool. I'm not asking it to create "the next SA-MP", reverse engineer gta-sa or blindly generate entire projects. I use it for research, debugging, documentation, prototyping and exploring ideas more efficiently. The output is still reviewed, tested and validated before it becomes part of a project.
Community projects are actually a good environment for learning how to use AI effectively because the work is public and the results can be independently verified. That makes it fairly obvious when AI produces something useful and equally obvious when it produces nonsense. Ultimately, the discussion should be about whether the tools work, whether the data is accurate and whether the project provides value to the community, not whether AI was involved somewhere in the workflow.
(2026-06-02, 06:12 AM)Nexius Wrote: (2026-05-31, 05:38 PM)Xyranaut Wrote: In fact, I'd argue that many of the loudest voices on forums often represent only a small fraction of the actual player base. Meanwhile, thousands of players continue playing without ever creating an account or posting a single message. The data reflects those players too, not just the people participating in forum discussions. How it's connected to the topic?
And I don't even ask why SA-MP suddenly became an "ecosystem", as it's obviously a trend word which your chatbot will insert anywhere, as long as it's present in the text (even if it doesn't make any sense here). I think you've taken the word "ecosystem" differently to how I intended it.
I was referring to the ecosystem of tools around server development: server binaries, SDKs, documentation, launchers, server managers and tooling across different platforms. Whether you prefer the word ecosystem, platform or community infrastructure doesn't really change the underlying point.
At the end of the day, the article wasn't intended to be a declaration that everything is perfect or that every prediction will be correct. It was an attempt to analyse publicly available data and discuss where things might be heading. If there are factual errors, methodological problems or technical inaccuracies then I'm happy to correct them.
What I find less interesting is spending pages debating whether AI assisted with writing a post. The dashboard either contains useful information or it doesn't. The data is either accurate or it isn't. The tools either work or they don't. Those are discussions that can actually improve things.
In any case, I'd rather spend my time building tools, collecting data and contributing to projects than arguing about the existence of AI. Community projects have always been places where people learn, experiment and build things. AI is simply another tool in that process.
I'll leave it there.
Xyranaut
Founder & Developer
Mac Andreas
Open Source Projects:- Using a MacBook with Apple Silicon? Play open.mp natively on macOS. Get it here
- Need to host an open.mp server on macOS? Run open.mp servers natively on Apple Silicon. Get it here
- Need Windows server compatibility on macOS? Run open.mp through Wine32 or CrossOver. Get it here
- Need a Pawn IDE for macOS? Qawno brings the classic experience to Mac. Get it here
- Coding in VS Code? Open Pawn provides modern Pawn tooling. Get it here
- Need a modern command processor? omp-cmd simplifies open.mp development. Get it here
- Upgrade your MySQL with omp-MySQL: TLS, Argon2id and prepared statements. Get it here
- Migrating an FCNPC server? omp-fcnpc Adapter helps bring servers to open.mp. Get it here
- Is San Andreas Multiplayer dead? Check the live stats and previous trends on the dashboard Open Dashboard
Looking for Beta Testers for my open.mp Mac project! [Apply here]- Must have MacBook Air M1 (Base: 8C CPU, 7C GPU, 8GB Ram) or above with Wine32 or Crossover
- Experience in plugin development, scripting and debugging, using crossover and navigating Wine32
- European Region preferred - for low latency testing (UK best)
- Experience in using AI applications and analytics to understand behaviour patterns collected by telementary data.
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2026-06-03, 10:26 AM
(This post was last modified: 2026-06-03, 10:31 AM by itsneufox.)
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(2026-06-01, 08:11 AM)Xyranaut Wrote: Another factor that may be discouraging server owners from migrating to open.mp is the lack of support for major SA-MP plugins, such as MySQL and other widely used dependencies. While porting these plugins is one possible approach, licensing restrictions can create challenges. In some cases, developing replacement plugins from scratch may be necessary to avoid licensing complications altogether.
After:
(2026-06-02, 11:23 AM)Xyranaut Wrote: To clarify, my point wasn't that existing plugins are unsupported. My concern was that any future transition to a 64-bit ecosystem may require some older and unmaintained plugins to be updated, ported or replaced. Active projects will likely adapt. Abandoned projects obviously won't.
At least learn how to lie. And stop using AI, does AI also think for you because it's too much for a small brain?
2026-06-03, 11:52 AM
(This post was last modified: 2026-06-03, 10:46 PM by Xyranaut.
Edit Reason: Another Unc from SAMP era couldn't read and having issues with AI like a grandpa, had to increase the text size.
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(2026-06-03, 10:26 AM)itsneufox Wrote: Before:
(2026-06-01, 08:11 AM)Xyranaut Wrote: Another factor that may be discouraging server owners from migrating to open.mp is the lack of support for major SA-MP plugins, such as MySQL and other widely used dependencies. While porting these plugins is one possible approach, licensing restrictions can create challenges. In some cases, developing replacement plugins from scratch may be necessary to avoid licensing complications altogether.
After:
(2026-06-02, 11:23 AM)Xyranaut Wrote: To clarify, my point wasn't that existing plugins are unsupported. My concern was that any future transition to a 64-bit ecosystem may require some older and unmaintained plugins to be updated, ported or replaced. Active projects will likely adapt. Abandoned projects obviously won't.
At least learn how to lie. And stop using AI, does AI also think for you because it's too much for a small brain?
You're free to disagree, but clarifying a point after feedback isn't the same as lying. That's true both in the dictionary and in common sense.
What's ironic is that instead of discussing the dashboard, the methodology or the data, you've chosen to focus on personal attacks and playing forum hero.
As for the "small brain" comment, that's actually one of the things AI is useful for: replying to clowns without wasting too much time on them while showing them mirror of what AI thinks about them based on their response.
And if you have such a big issue with an analysis that was AI-assisted rather than the actual dashboard, the data or a point that was later clarified, why not analyse the data yourself and publish your own thread? That would be far more interesting, and far more useful, than spending multiple posts arguing about AI.
What seems to be getting lost here is that this thread isn't an official open.mp announcement, a staff statement or some authoritative source that the community is expected to treat as fact. It's a forum post presenting my interpretation with help of AI of publicly available dashboard data and some thoughts about where things may be heading.
You're acting as if I've stood up and made some official proclamation on behalf of the entire community. I haven't. It's simply my perspective based on the data available at the time. You're free to disagree with that perspective, challenge the methodology or offer a different interpretation. That's what discussion forums are for.
The dashboard is public. The data is public. If you think the conclusions are wrong, then show your own analysis and explain why. That would contribute far more to the discussion than endlessly arguing about whether AI helped write part of a forum post.
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(2026-06-02, 11:23 AM)Xyranaut Wrote: At the end of the day, the article wasn't intended to be a declaration that everything is perfect or that every prediction will be correct. It was an attempt to analyse publicly available data and discuss where things might be heading. If there are factual errors, methodological problems or technical inaccuracies then I'm happy to correct them.
I'll leave it there.
I've added a disclaimer just for you and anyone like you who is having issue - on top of post, feel free to read:
To anyone thinking to reply after this post - you're wasting your time, I won't be seeing or replying to the thread. Save yourself some time and post a new thread with updated interpretations or something productive.
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Quote:
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2026-06-11, 01:22 PM
(This post was last modified: 2026-06-11, 01:26 PM by Nexius.)
(2026-06-02, 11:23 AM)Xyranaut Wrote: The funny thing is that most of your post is demanding sources for numbers that are literally displayed on the dashboard you're commenting on, there's a sources tab which tells how data was taken. The funny fact is that it has been already implemented long ago on the official omp website, but apart from the fact that you reinvented the wheel, my question for proofs was not because I didn't read the first post, but because there's literally zero trust to any statements from people who takes everyone for idiots, pasting second-rate ai slop.
(2026-06-02, 11:23 AM)Xyranaut Wrote: The Wine wrapper exists because many plugins are distributed only as Windows DLLs and do not have macOS equivalents (unless I fork and rebuild them). Running Linux environments through Docker on macOS can also introduce additional overhead, so the wrapper was created as a practical compatibility solution rather than because native support was unavailable. Interesting excuse for a still completely pointless tool. But again, all plugins are open source, you just take them and recompile for any platform you want. Even outdated ones can be recompiled with minimal extra work. And note that it's still not that cringe like emulating win omp server on macos which is cross-platform by default, in its design.
(2026-06-02, 11:23 AM)Xyranaut Wrote: That is where the "roughly half of all tracked servers" statement comes from.
If you believe the tracking methodology is flawed, incomplete or biased, that's a perfectly valid criticism and I'd be interested in discussing it. The server split, however, is not a generated fact. It's simply what the dashboard data showed. So your chatbot mate couldn't get the quoted point and answer to the completely different one, again (what a surprise).
(2026-06-02, 11:23 AM)Xyranaut Wrote: I'd rather spend that time building tools, analysing data and contributing something useful. Feel free to generate ineffective and pointless tools spending your ai subscription at least on something so it doesn't stay idle, but please stop shitting with it on others and spend their time on a retarded content made of misinformation, secondary collages from random sources (read as just your ai hallucinations) and so on similar.
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